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If there is another scene with Logan and Tyler, Elli will be the one who leads and tries to manipulate everyone into something really "wild". And so I would suspect Elli brings her mother into a situation with her very early at this event after it is impossible for Sophia to explain afterwards that Sophia and Elli are actually mother and daughter (mother and daughter interact sexually with each other via kissing goes out). Or let the secret be exposed. So if Sophia lets things go at this event and the secret is kept, she will at the same time get rid of Logan as the future son-in-law. In my opinion it will be less about the virginity of Elli than about keeping the secret of the sexual intercourse between mother and daughter.
 

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If there is another scene with Logan and Tyler, Elli will be the one who leads and tries to manipulate everyone into something really "wild". And so I would suspect Elli brings her mother into a situation with her very early at this event after it is impossible for Sophia to explain afterwards that Sophia and Elli are actually mother and daughter (mother and daughter interact sexually with each other via kissing goes out). Or let the secret be exposed. So if Sophia lets things go at this event and the secret is kept, she will at the same time get rid of Logan as the future son-in-law. In my opinion it will be less about the virginity of Elli than about keeping the secret of the sexual intercourse between mother and daughter.
L&P said it was going to be a straight scene, so, IMO, Sophia will play the guardian. But we can be more certain of such a scene after Sunday, maybe Patricia announces a short trip, a day or two.
 
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Why should Sophia Ellis save virginity? To a certain extent throw yourself in between. Almost every girl and young woman gets into this situation at some point. And there is no mother far and wide to protect her. And no girl / young woman would want that.
And even if Sophia doesn't like Logan, she should consider that Elli would rather experience her first time with an experienced man. This scenario of the rescue of the Virgin is typically male and has nothing to do with the world of women. If Sophia was worried about a possible pregnancy, something in between would be conceivable. But only as an outright ban, not as a replacement mat for Logan.
She is worried not about lossing virginity, in fact she though that Ellie was sexual active and loved big cocks. She is worried about losing it in a wild sex encounter, because Logan practice sex without any care, in a wild way and with a monster cock. And Ellie doesn't want to tell Logan that she is virgin. I recomend you to review the shower scene of 12th day from the point Sophia ask about the big dildo.
 
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If there is another scene with Logan and Tyler, Elli will be the one who leads and tries to manipulate everyone into something really "wild". And so I would suspect Elli brings her mother into a situation with her very early at this event after it is impossible for Sophia to explain afterwards that Sophia and Elli are actually mother and daughter (mother and daughter interact sexually with each other via kissing goes out). Or let the secret be exposed. So if Sophia lets things go at this event and the secret is kept, she will at the same time get rid of Logan as the future son-in-law. In my opinion it will be less about the virginity of Elli than about keeping the secret of the sexual intercourse between mother and daughter.
It is a good idea. The question is about it will be an hetero scene. Maybe Ellie watchs. But in the middle is Ellie having her first time with Logan and his big thing.
 

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She is worried not about lossing virginity, in fact she though that Ellie was sexual active and loved big cocks. She is worried about losing it in a wild sex encounter, because Logan practice sex without any care, in a wild way and with a monster cock. And Ellie doesn't want to tell Logan that she is virgin. I recomend you to review the shower scene of 12th day from the point Sophia ask about the big dildo.
I know this scene well. But that doesn't change my opinion "Why should Sophia protect her daughter from a monster cock". And therefore let Logan fuck her himself. Unerotic and unrealistic. When she's there, all she has to do is tell Logan: "Be careful with Elli". Logan will understand and act on it. He may have a monster cock but isn't a monster like Bennett or Aiden.
 
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She is worried not about lossing virginity, in fact she though that Ellie was sexual active and loved big cocks. She is worried about losing it in a wild sex encounter, because Logan practice sex without any care, in a wild way and with a monster cock. And Ellie doesn't want to tell Logan that she is virgin. I recomend you to review the shower scene of 12th day from the point Sophia ask about the big dildo.
I hope it is not coming from here:

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because this is clearly a mistake in the script and it's Ellie who says that line.
If you look at the exchange it is clear from the sense and the back and forth that is Ellie speaking:

Python:
e "If I tell him, everyone will know!"
s "Well, there's your next proof that he's not the right one for you! Cause if he was, you would fully trust him not to tell anyone!"
s "Well, I could also just ask him to have gentle sex with me."
s "Oh, please. The way I met Logan, it's like asking a bull at a bullfight to be more gentle to you!"
s "Ellie, it's really important! You must talk to him about it beforehand!"
If it has to be Logan, I don't see Sophia sacrificing herself to save her daughter, it's a bit unrealistic and a bit out of character.
Unless there is another blackmail involved, like "I'll leave your daughter alone only if you sleep with me", à la A Mother's Love. But I don't think so.

In case it is Logan, I rather see him trying to seduce Sophia during some event, another night at the club or the bachelorette party for example (they might meet randomly), where things could be already a little bit of control. Something in that spirit but I agree with hzjujk and don't see Sophia playing the martyr just to save Ellie's virginity.
 
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I hope it is not coming from here:

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because this is clearly a mistake in the script and it's Ellie who says that:

Python:
e "If I tell him, everyone will know!"
s "Well, there's your next proof that he's not the right one for you! Cause if he was, you would fully trust him not to tell anyone!"
s "Well, I could also just ask him to have gentle sex with me."
s "Oh, please. The way I met Logan, it's like asking a bull at a bullfight to be more gentle to you!"
s "Ellie, it's really important! You must talk to him about it beforehand!"
If it has to be Logan, I don't see Sophia sacrificing herself to save her daughter, it's a bit unrealistic and a bit out of character.
Unless there is another blackmail involved, like "I'll leave your daughter alone only if you sleep with me". But I don't think so.

In case it is Logan, I rather see him trying to seduce Sophia during some event, another night at the club or the bachelorette party for example (they might meet randomly), where things could be already a little bit of control. Something in that spirit but I agree with hzjujk and don't see Sophia playing the martyr just to save Ellie's virginity.
Further on down the road the Logan/Ellie paths do split up into 3 paths and Sophia is involved some how
 

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And I also clarify that I'm not a Sam's fan, I don't particularly like him (because of the sneaky behaviour with the wine for example) but I don't despise him either. What I wrote was just for the pure sake of speculation ;)
So was Sophia completely unaware it was wine or was she accepting of it. So, this is not sneaky Sam if she is aware and accepts. Something tells me she was completely aware and accepted it. Ergo, she made the decision not Sam.:sneaky::cool:
 

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It's not my intention to defend Sam, but as far as I know he didn't know about the effect of alcohol on Sophia's libido.
Sophia knows her weaknesses so it's a deliberate choice on her part, and the fact that a man tries to open any unlocked door is a genetic issue, the fault of mother nature.
UH no. It is called self control, discipline, or respecting another. The genes are not to blame. They function as your grey matter genes direct them or allow them. If not then you are jacking off in every public place as an eligible female walks by. See the monkeys in any zoo. You don't do that do you? (Don't answer that.) Where your mind goes is more powerful. If not, you are Darwinian proof of a missing link. :devilish::p
 
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UH no. It is called self control, discipline, or respecting another. The genes are not to blame. They function as your grey matter genes direct them or allow them. If not then you are jacking off in every public place as an eligible female walks by. See the monkeys in any zoo. You don't do that do you? (Don't answer that.) Where your mind goes is more powerful. If not, you are Darwinian proof of a missing link. :devilish::p
I disagree with you. The public masturbation thing is a crime but all the preliminary work in preparation for subsequent copulation is not
Better look for another example :ROFLMAO:
 

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I disagree with you. The public masturbation thing is a crime but all the preliminary work in preparation for subsequent copulation is not
Better look for another example :ROFLMAO:
What example- You implied that there was no way a male could control there actions since it is genetic. The jacking off example is taking your overbroad, extremist example of lack of control to a logical conclusion. That it, therefore, is the woman's fault for stimulating those genetics. I called BS on that concept of yours. I don't need another example. You need to explain why males all over the globe are not driven by their genetics to immediately react to a woman's presence. To immediately try to get in a woman's panties. Why can all these males use their brain genetics to override the reproductive genes? Why is your example faulty? That is what needs to be explained.
 

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So was Sophia completely unaware it was wine or was she accepting of it. So, this is not sneaky Sam if she is aware and accepts. Something tells me she was completely aware and accepted it. Ergo, she made the decision not Sam.:sneaky::cool:
Well, when you ask for a juice and the other brings you wine... :)
That's what was sneaky and it's not an honest mistake because it happens only if he saw Sophia in her bra previously.

And ok, wine is technically grape juice ;)
And sure it's player's/Sophia's decision whether to drink it or not, but the "original sin" was to bring the wine :)

But as I said, I don't have particular feelings about the character, I would have just avoided to use the alcohol as personally I'm not much into the "under the influence" cliché, that's it :)

Python:
s "Why don't you go into the kitchen and get yourself a drink? And me too if you don't mind. Maybe some juice?"
sa "OK."
if day14_Sam_saw_Sophia_in_her_bra_by_the_window:
    jump day16_Sam_brings_Sophia_wine
else:
    jump day16_Sam_brings_Sophia_juice

[...]

label day16_Sam_brings_Sophia_wine:
"{color=#ffffff}Sam returned with the drinks."
sa "Here's your drink, Mrs. Parker!"
s "Thanks!"
"{color=#ffffff}Sophia took a sip."
s "Hey, this is wine!"
sa "Oh, um... really?"
sa "I thought it was apple juice!"
s "{color=#f2ff66}(Yeah, sure!)"
 

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What example- You implied that there was no way a male could control there actions since it is genetic. The jacking off example is taking your overbroad, extremist example of lack of control to a logical conclusion. That it, therefore, is the woman's fault for stimulating those genetics. I called BS on that concept of yours. I don't need another example. You need to explain why males all over the globe are not driven by their genetics to immediately react to a woman's presence. To immediately try to get in a woman's panties. Why can all these males use their brain genetics to override the reproductive genes? Why is your example faulty? That is what needs to be explained.
When a woman likes me, but in the way that you feel an organic need, when just a touch sends shivers down your spine, know that I'm willing to play dirty. And I really did. If you've never felt that way, I don't think you'll ever know how far you can go.
I'm a bit surprised by your answer :cautious:
 

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Well, when you ask for a juice and the other brings you wine... :)
That's what was sneaky and it's not an honest mistake because it happens only if he saw Sophia in her bra previously.
Definitely Sam has played dirty or is playing dirty but given the situation it's the only possible way. Otherwise it would be impossible, he would be left with the lust that could traumatize him for the rest of his life :ROFLMAO:
Sam is obsessed, it's possible that L&P have experienced something of a similar love, and I mean the intensity not the situation.
 
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